2X14 Manhattan – First Thoughts (Lies, Lies, Lies, yeah)

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Welcome to the a Special Episode of the Once Upon a Time Fan Podcast First Thoughts about “Manhattan”. This is a podcast dedicated to the hit ABC TV show, Once Upon a Time.

 

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The goal of the episode is for us to give our first thoughts, warts and all, so here it is.

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Show notes:

Rumpelstiltskin was happy to be called to the front of the Ogre War (first one?), but Milah was worried about him. This seemed very different than how she treated him later.

Rumpel mentioned of undoing his “Father’s actions” and called him a coward.

We see a SoHo sign hun on a building on the background, but the Gaslight area in Vancouver (where the scenes were filmed) seemed very different than Manhattan, even the the production team tried to make it appear as New York.

Bae lived in Apt. 407.

UPS/Fedex comment was funny. Is Fedex an ABC advertiser?

I wished that Neal wasn’t Bae, and that Neal would help Gold, Emma and Henry find Bae. That would more like a saga, than this quick, obvious reveal.

Lost (as we’ve said many times before) loves to split up the main group so they can learn info and see things, then make decisions on how or if the split person(s) will tell the rest of the group when they return.

So, we now know what was in the box. An easy and elegant idea.

Coincidence, Fate and Destiny were used prominently. Playing out the choices Emma and Neal (especially since he is Bae) could have made;
If they would have stayed together, the cursed would have never been broken, and if Neal would have lied about his real persona, Gold would never had been reunited with his son.

Neal and Emma choice ((basically) bullied into by August) was like Dreamy and Nova. A choice against true love and back onto the road of destiny.

Emma lie #1. And she chided August for lying. Tsk Tsk.

We see the Ogre Ware camp.

Blind Witch as a Seer. An ironic and much used plot device in stories. We also discuss the many uses of eyes on hands in stories, movies and religious art.

Emma calls Mom when she’s in trouble.

Seeing the future comes with a price – and practice, it turns out. Gold calls it a puzzle, like the show itself.

Emma lie #2. That’s two, sister!

So sure for plot development, hide a easy to decipher clue in an obvious place, but not in real life. Side note: Regina went to the E.T. school of levitating things.

Don’t get me started about Henry’s family tree. Maybe Jerry Springer or Dr. Phil can sort it all out.

A horse, of course. Almost Mr. Ed.

Would a coward injure himself? An interesting question.

Did you spot the family connection between this episode and the pilot?

As someone who spent time growing up in a loud, yelling household, I understand Henry completely.

Milah is just a loving, supportive wife, isn’t she? What did you think about her comments when Rumpel returned?

Did you spot the shape on the map, too? What did you think about Colleen’s comment about the map?

The truth. It can be hard at first to tell someone something (with tact) that can be hurtful, but is lying or withholding information for years, so someone “doesn’t get hurt”, better?

The dagger is the passive aggressive person’s dream. You don’t have to do anything that could come back onto negatively, you find away to make others do the bad thing for you, and blame it back on them. It is interesting to note that Cora has done this before by making it look like Regina “killed” Archie, but neither thing was true. Side note: We still do not know who is burined in Archie Hopper’s grave.

We see the element of time mentioned again. Neal gives Gold 3 minutes to plead his case. Gold did not succeed – at this point.

We have discussed what Rumpel abandoning Bae might do to him, but now we see Neal’s response back to him.

Rumpel wants to take Neal back to Storybrooke and turn back the clock, but Neal will live the cards he was dealt. Neal is the total opposite of Gold. He doesn’t want to trick pain out of his life, he walks through it and learns from it. Note: It is interesting to see that someone that Emma calls “a thief” has never been (that we know of) to jail, but Emma was.

Neal did return Rumpel letting him go by letting Gold go.

Rumpel got the Blind Witch’s future seeing power, but she gave it too him willingly without him killing her with the Dark One’s dagger. Interesting.

A boy will lead you, but he will not be what he seems. Was the Blind Witch talking about Henry, or do you think Colleen is right with her theory?

Do you think that Gold will try to kill Henry at the end of the Season as a cliffhanger?

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