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4X04 The Apprentice – Main Show – 248


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Episode Name: The Apprentice

Episode Number: 248

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Tweeted by Adam Horowitz, The OUAT episode “Smash the Mirror” on 11/16 will be a 2 Hour episode.

Marilyn emailed a picture of Regina’s only friend, except for Kathryn.

Appearance on Disney Vault Talk Rebel Yell “Fighter Flight”

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From Aleana

My theory is Henry going to be the one to guard the sorceress hat


From Maii

The Emma and Hook date

We know that Emma always wears her jacket as her own personal armor.
She wore the leather dress with Walsh for that one reason: it was an extension of her armor
Tonight she wore soft pink because she wanted to be close to Killian she wanted romance and love.

He gave her his jacket.
Because she is his girl yes and because now she had a new armor: him.
Because he will protect her.
And she let him in under her walls and protection

The Rumpel and Hook situation

(Also Rumple is enslaving Killian the same way Zelena enslaved him)

Jeff’s thought – Rumpel used Hook’s love for Emma to entrap him to serve him. Hook was trying to do the right thing, but it ended up being the wrong thing at the hand of Rumpel. Now that decision can jeopardize what he’s wanted – to be with Emma.

– The tape

I was just thinking of something.. Killian saw Rumple “magically erasing” the tape… It might be a longshot but do you think that’s going to call back to Zelena’s murder and Gold magically erasing that tape as well?

Honestly I think the hand was cursed and he did it so he could back Killian into a corner. Because Killian has changed and it’s just like Rumple to do this.. Also this is also the hand he had growing up, the hand that was a lieutenant, he was not a bad person when the hand was taken. It was afterwards that he became a villain. So yeah the hand was definitely cursed, and I think the video is definitely a fake.

Look at the man’s house, it was in the middle of nowhere, I don’t really think he would have a security system, and Emma knows Killian why would he attack an innocent old man?

Jeff’s thought – Maybe Hook can convince Emma to use her superpower to divine the truth from Rumpel.


Honestly I think Rumple was completely lying about the parents, I don’t think they were afraid of her or wanted to take her magic away but rather a way to control her magic. The dark one lies, the dark one tricks.

I definitely think Rumple is going to or went after Kristoff because Anna didn’t specify his name and I think Rumple and the Snow Queen will team up and do something to Anna or to Kristoff to put Elsa against them, but it won’t work bc Elsa knows her sister. But I do think the Snow Queen and Rumple had a hand in Anna/Kristoff being missing while Elsa got trapped in the urn.

More Parallels

The Missing Year my friend, AKA when Hook lost his love by being transported against his will into another realm, shortly after getting hope for a happy ending with her. He then gave up being a hero and tried to revert to his old lawbreaking lifestyle, but it wasn’t enough and he ended up being miserable and drunk all the time despite trying to act like he didn’t care.

…Until he received a sign that a reunion was possible, at which point he gave everything up on the chance to be reunited with her.

This is Red Knave’s missing year equivalent – and though Will isn’t exactly at the “love is nothing but endless torment” stage, well… actually he already went there in OUATIW canon. I’m not saying being separated from Ana is the only reason Will’s here or anything, but this parallel seems really big. I mean, add in what you already pointed out with Emma looking like Ana on her date, and Killian’s modern clothes being a lot like Will’s, and there’s no doubt these parallels are intentional.

And Emma will be the one to help give Will hope for a reunion and to listen to his better instincts and be his better (true) self.

One more thing

Also a final note: Did you notice the bartender looks like Tony from Lady and the Tramp?


From Marilyn

Hi Jeff and Colleen
Has it ever been established as to where Hook has been staying since he returned sans the Jolly Roger? With Emma’s “I really need to get my own place” line, it started me wondering as to where Hook calls home in Storybrooke.

Hook really should have known that nothing good ever comes out of making a deal with Rumple, especially when he threatened to ruin Rumple’s relationship to Belle, more than once. Now he is stuck dancing to Rumple’s tune after he made one too many empty threats and falling for Rumple’s mind games regarding that re-attached hand.

I am wondering if they are going to be somewhat following the plot of the original Sorcerer’s Apprentice in Fantasia? If that is so then it is possible that Henry, while going undercover at the pawnshop, will somehow stumble across the magical hat, put it on with good intentions, then have mayhem ensue when the magic that is then released gets out-of-hand as it did for Mickey.


From Brad

Give in to your temptation and turn up the heat, “DO IT!”.
Good day Jeff and Colleen, here are the things I learned this week on the episode, The Apprentice.

1). Mr. Gold is a hoarder of limbs.

2). Sometimes it takes a little
blackmail to bring out the

3). The reality of how Mickey Mouse
really became a star.

4). Reindeer can pout.

5). Emma better call the Marine
Garage because her car is leaking
some serious fluids.

6). Despite being turned human in
Storybrooke, Lady and the Tramp
haven’t lost their spark.

7). There’s nothing like a Polaroid!

8). The apprentice serves child free

9). When you’re a sheriff, even a few
libations could lead to trouble.

10). Emma is finally experiencing all
the joys that come with living
with your parents.



Emma: “There’s no sign of that ice witch yet”. This is the first instance that the Snow Queen has been referred to as a witch. Also, both Mary Margaret and Rumpelstiltskin used the phrase, “speaking of which” in this episode.


I love Will and his lines are great but his personality isn’t meshing with the rest of the people in Storybrooke yet. He and Alice played well off each other because they had real chemistry together. She got his humor and knew how to talk to him. We know from Wonderland that he keeps to himself so someone in Storybrooke will need to befriend him before he opens up. Having him hold the picture of the red queen made me realize how much I want to see Anastasia again. There could be some great storytelling by incorporating her into the show. We need some more good guys with magic on the show since the reformed Dark One is slipping.


The radio station call letters were
W-O-L-F 98, home of the original party animals. The DJ said the previous song was Left of the Dial by the Replacements. I thought the chorus was appropriate for the situation Hook and Rumple were in.
“On and on and on and on
What side are you on?”


Rip Van Winkle was mentioned by the radio announcer. He was looking for something classic to wake up to.


On the radio we also heard the slogan of Granny’s diner, “It’s better than you remember”.


Rumple even changed his voice as Palpatine does when he said “Do it!”


Again, we get a glimpse of Thor’s hammer in the background of Rumpel’s castle.


Mr. Gold had an amazing redemptive arc in the first half of season 3 but ever since he was brought back to life and held captive by Zelena, it’s almost like it never happened. The scene at Neal’s grave and the countless “I want to be a better man” speeches to Belle sound like a broken record. The previous seasons he’s been motivated by finding his son and changing for Belle but now he’s disrespecting his son’s sacrifice, starting his marriage with a lie and refusing to offer his help to anyone in town. He has become a person who wants ultimate power with no restrictions, for his own personal gain. All of his character development has been thrown out the window as he is now just a typical villain who is no longer relatable. The argument could be made that he was changed after he resurrected or that all of the dark ones have encapsulated his body, drowning out the changed man. Although I do like this explanation, we have seen nothing to bring us to this conclusion. Showing that Rumple wanted the hat in the past as well seems to give evidence that this is all him. Very discouraging to see him this way after all the work he had done to be a better man. If all you want is a cliché evil villain, it looks like you got your wish. Belle deserves so much better.


Speaking of Belle, she only had 10 words in this episode. With everything Gold is doing it’s disappointing that there isn’t a greater storyline going on between both of them. I know Emilie de Ravin is shooting a new movie called the Submarine Kid and this could be why they are underusing her and not writing her into a great storyline, then again, this could be the reason why she is working on another project. I really hope her fate is not the same as Meghan Ory, Jamie Dornan and Sebastian Stan. Letting them all go was a real missed opportunity. I know there is a Belle centered episode coming up but this is the same thing they did with Ruby. She would get a full episode to herself and then a couple lines here and there. I know we all would rather have it proportioned out through the whole season instead of just one full episode.


Here is a man who is generally trying to be a good guy. Rumple who is ‘claiming’ he wants to be a better man has to be blackmailed just to help Elsa, (Where was Belle, by the way, to convince him?) Maybe Hook took it a little too far when we tried to blackmail him to put his hand back on but Rumple killed Milah so any bad blood between them should be gone. Giving him his hand back but making him believe it had been cursed was Gold just being a (insert your derogatory comment here). He did the same thing to Regina when she was trying to change. He’s that little devil on your shoulder and if he can’t be a better man, he’s going to make sure that nobody else can either.


I’ve seen tons of jaw dropping CGI in my day, (not on Once Upon A Time sadly), but when that broom starting walking with it’s little hands moving from side to side like it was on mission, I was awestruck. I felt like a little kid again, seeing a cartoon character come to life for the first time. Plus having the music play along with it was great! All it needed was a bucket of water and my day would have been made.


I love Frozen but I’m getting a little burned out on all the references. A couple are fine but when is it too much? They have me saying out loud, “We get it, you’re doing Frozen”. They need to concentrate more on character development and less on trying to figure out where they can fit the Frozen line in this week.


I read a Facebook post a couple weeks ago that read if you rearrange the letters in Sydney’s name, you get Yen Sid. It is a strange coincidence, especially since Sydney happens to be back this season. What do these writers have up their sleeve for him?



I still hold to my original theory that the Sorcerer is the author of the book. Especially after seeing the apprentice this week and adding more mystery to his identity. I’ve heard that finding the books author will be stretched out over both halves of the season, instead of having two different storylines like last year. A villain who tries to give himself a happy ending while still acting in his evil ways like Rumple, needs to be stopped by a powerful author. The Sorcerer fits this role perfectly. Also, I love the idea of having a good sorcerer who is just as powerful or possibly more powerful than the Dark One. At this point, I want to see the defeat of snarky, manipulative, self serving Mr. Gold. I want the winter finale Gold back.


I have nothing to back this up, but what if the last name Swan somehow came from Sarah Fisher. It has never been explained how Emma received this last name. We know Neal gave her a necklace of a swan but it is not confirmed that she went by that last name because of it. She could have already had the name and that’s why he gave her the necklace.


Since the apprentice said “Every Dark One has tried and everyone has failed”, it would seem this hat is common knowledge between all the Dark One’s. Could this be because the sorcerer, being a dark one himself at one time, now possesses the hat? What if he refused to be the Dark One any longer and faced his inner darkness and succeeded. Being made pure, he would be released from the daggers control and now be the rightful owner and guardian of the most powerful hat in the universe. I believe that only a truly good man can wield and possess the power of the hat. Gold may be able to activate it but he won’t be able to control it. Just as Mickey couldn’t in Fantasia.


Does magic still come with a price when you possess the hat?

– Brad


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Jesse Hutch (Peter) Audio Update. Is Rumpel the Apprentice or the Master? Who’s hat is that? Who is Elsa’s real Mother? 4X01 A Tale of Two Sisters – Main Show – #242



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Civitas – The civitas is not just the collective body of all the citizens, it is the contract binding them all together, because of which each is a civis.

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What if Hans found the letter Elsa and Anna mother wrote about original Snow Queen?

My theories is we will found out who originally own the sorceress’s hat but we will also found out it will now belong to Henry because he has the heart of truest believer

Dan from Boston

Welcome back Jeff and Colleen!! Good to hear you two at it “Once” again!!

Loved the opening episode, and I had a few thoughts to share with you.

(1) Funny, Jeff, that you thought Grumpy was Han Solo from a line of dialogue. I thought of him for a different reason. . . . . both characters were at some point “frozen” (ice, and carbonite!!).

(2) Yeah, you’re right, “pimp w/o a limp” dropping the needle, instead of spinning straw into gold, he’s now spinning records!! BTW, Colleen, my kids thought of Mary Poppins as well with the snapping of the fingers! Had a question about that scene, was that the first time on the show that a music theme was directly lifted from the animated movie? I don’t remember hearing “You can fly” when Henry and Pan flew, or “When you wish upon a star” before “Blue” descends to grant a wish.

(3) Also from the Rum/Belle scene, Mr. Gold was as smooth as a certain Star Wars character, “Well what have we HERE?? I’m Lando Calrissian, administrator of this facility, and who might YOU be?” 🙂 He even had on the blue to match Lando’s cape. All he needed was a little splash of Colt 45. . . . . “Works every time. .. .!!!” Certainly a far cry from Salacious Crumb from last season, eh Jeff?

(4) Finally, the wizard’s hat is definitely from Sorcerer’s Apprentice!! Between the gold pale it came from, to the stars/galaxies, right down to the background music that was played, “dum dum. . . . . .dum dee dee dum.. . . . dum dum….. . .dum dee dee dum. . . .dumm”. The only Star Wars question I have is this, is Gold “the master, or the apprentice” of that hat? (Funny thought, Gold as Mickey Mouse!!).

That’s all for now! Can’t wait to go though this new season with you two! If the first half of it is Frozen themed, does this mean we’ll have a Christmas/”holiday” special (oooo, yet ANOTHER S.W. theme, HOLIDAY SPECIAL???). We’ll see!

Peace to you Jeff and Colleen!
Dan from Boston


Even though it felt like you both never left because of the continuation of Disney Once Again, it’s still great to have the return of the Once Upon A Time Fan podcast. This first episode was excellent and with a new season begins the things I learned in A Tale of Two Sisters.

1). The Storybrooke Beautification Society is the group who gets stuck cleaning up all the messes.

2). David’s amnesia seems to resurface only when Regina’s character is in question.

3). No beer is worth having Sleepy as your designated driver.

4). When you have a sister, you’re never alone.

5). Sydney cannot escape being held captive no matter what realm he is in. Genie to Mirror to Prison to Mirror

6). Rumpel may have taught “The Fonz” his cool moves.

7). Streaming movies is now available in Storybrooke.

8). Never make an enemy with a man who has 12 angry brothers.

9). The laughing gargoyle has been vandalized.

10). The town needs a new radio station……………hmmmmmm



I had sympathy for Regina in this episode and wasn’t disappointed like I have been in the past. I understand that Robin was doing the honorable thing and that she was desperate to get her true love back. This is the real trial and although she speaks of going back in time and killing Marian, seeing herself through the mirror, sentencing an innocent woman to death while being called a monster, seemed to have had an effect on her. She told Emma that’s the person I was, not who I am. We all get to a point where we say things in the heat of the moment but then change our minds once we’ve reflected on it.

I also agreed with her decision to find the books author. First of all, because we have ALL been asking the question, “who wrote the book”, since the beginning and secondly, why should villains always be written to never have a happy ending? If Regina is right, the book may be keeping her from happiness no matter how much she tries to change. It keeps throwing situations at her to get her back on the villain path. So I’m all in for her quest to find the author and I don’t feel this is coming from a villainess standpoint but if there is maliciousness behind her actions, I feel this experience will change her for the better. Also when villains do get their “evil” happy endings, they’re never actually happy, think Welcome to Storybrooke. Giving them what they want, may actually reveal to themselves it’s not what they need. If the author of the book could see how much Regina has changed, maybe he can undo the force that’s keeping her from a real happy ending.


Anna has the same sentiment every Oncer has after a new secret is revealed, “We have one answer and more questions, that’s a start”.


Yen Sin’s hat is drawn with a design of a moon and stars in Disney films. The hat that Rumpel found had real stars and a solar system on it. The hat was also stored in a bucket that looked just like what the brooms were using in Fantasia. If it turns out to be Merlin instead, I feel this would be a real missed opportunity to use a character none of us were expecting ever to see.


The book having power and being immutable makes perfect sense. It explains how nothing was changed in present day except for the books additions in the finale. Somehow everything went back exactly the way it is was even after Hook and Emma made so many changes. It bothered me at first but this explanation reveals that the book was guiding the events to follow one path.


Rumple is now tempted with the hat after he vowed to Bae at his graveside to be a better man.
It’s almost as if something is guiding him to these temptations, maybe Regina was right about the books power.



I had the same thought as you Jeff while watching this episode. I also believe that Elsa may have been adopted and that her powers come from a woman with similar abilities, maybe a queen perhaps? Their parents said, “Anna and Elsa must know the truth, it is the only thing that will save them”. This indicates that both Elsa and Anna are in some type of danger. Whatever their parents went to Mist Haven for it appears they found information that puts their children at risk. If this other “Ice Queen” is somehow related to Elsa, she may come back to reclaim her. Another thought is, what if this queen gains power by draining ones who posses her similar ability?
Just like what Rumpelstiltskin did to the Seer. Who knows, maybe Rumple wanted her power and that’s why she was in the urn. So many possibilities!


My theory and hope is that Sorcerer Master Yen Sid wrote the book. Only a powerful sorcerer could make a book that doesn’t change even when the timeline has been altered. It makes sense that the person who wrote the book would be someone that was modeled after such a influential storyteller as Walt Disney. If it wasn’t for him, we wouldn’t even know half of the beloved characters that we do today. Sure the stories were around already but Walt brought them to life and filled our hearts with precious memories. Merlin has been done before so please give us something fresh and new!


Could Rumple be playing the part of the apprentice and if so, will he need Yen Sid to clean up his mess?

How did Marion really die and will fate try and reclaim her life?If it wasn’t for Regina, Marshmallow would have crushed her.

Were Anna and Elsa’s parents coming back from seeing Yen Sid when their ship sank and did he happen to tell them about how their children were in danger?

Was the inanimate stone troll in Storybrooke Pabbie? Who do we know that has that kind of magic?

When Marshmallow goes to “water the flowers”, is the snow leftover yellow or white?

That’s it for now, have a great podcast!

– Brad

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