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Jesse Hutch (Peter) Audio Update. Is Rumpel the Apprentice or the Master? Who’s hat is that? Who is Elsa’s real Mother? 4X01 A Tale of Two Sisters – Main Show – #242



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Episode Name: A Tale of Two Sisters

Episode Number: 242

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Civitas – The civitas is not just the collective body of all the citizens, it is the contract binding them all together, because of which each is a civis.

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What if Hans found the letter Elsa and Anna mother wrote about original Snow Queen?

My theories is we will found out who originally own the sorceress’s hat but we will also found out it will now belong to Henry because he has the heart of truest believer

Dan from Boston

Welcome back Jeff and Colleen!! Good to hear you two at it “Once” again!!

Loved the opening episode, and I had a few thoughts to share with you.

(1) Funny, Jeff, that you thought Grumpy was Han Solo from a line of dialogue. I thought of him for a different reason. . . . . both characters were at some point “frozen” (ice, and carbonite!!).

(2) Yeah, you’re right, “pimp w/o a limp” dropping the needle, instead of spinning straw into gold, he’s now spinning records!! BTW, Colleen, my kids thought of Mary Poppins as well with the snapping of the fingers! Had a question about that scene, was that the first time on the show that a music theme was directly lifted from the animated movie? I don’t remember hearing “You can fly” when Henry and Pan flew, or “When you wish upon a star” before “Blue” descends to grant a wish.

(3) Also from the Rum/Belle scene, Mr. Gold was as smooth as a certain Star Wars character, “Well what have we HERE?? I’m Lando Calrissian, administrator of this facility, and who might YOU be?” 🙂 He even had on the blue to match Lando’s cape. All he needed was a little splash of Colt 45. . . . . “Works every time. .. .!!!” Certainly a far cry from Salacious Crumb from last season, eh Jeff?

(4) Finally, the wizard’s hat is definitely from Sorcerer’s Apprentice!! Between the gold pale it came from, to the stars/galaxies, right down to the background music that was played, “dum dum. . . . . .dum dee dee dum.. . . . dum dum….. . .dum dee dee dum. . . .dumm”. The only Star Wars question I have is this, is Gold “the master, or the apprentice” of that hat? (Funny thought, Gold as Mickey Mouse!!).

That’s all for now! Can’t wait to go though this new season with you two! If the first half of it is Frozen themed, does this mean we’ll have a Christmas/”holiday” special (oooo, yet ANOTHER S.W. theme, HOLIDAY SPECIAL???). We’ll see!

Peace to you Jeff and Colleen!
Dan from Boston


Even though it felt like you both never left because of the continuation of Disney Once Again, it’s still great to have the return of the Once Upon A Time Fan podcast. This first episode was excellent and with a new season begins the things I learned in A Tale of Two Sisters.

1). The Storybrooke Beautification Society is the group who gets stuck cleaning up all the messes.

2). David’s amnesia seems to resurface only when Regina’s character is in question.

3). No beer is worth having Sleepy as your designated driver.

4). When you have a sister, you’re never alone.

5). Sydney cannot escape being held captive no matter what realm he is in. Genie to Mirror to Prison to Mirror

6). Rumpel may have taught “The Fonz” his cool moves.

7). Streaming movies is now available in Storybrooke.

8). Never make an enemy with a man who has 12 angry brothers.

9). The laughing gargoyle has been vandalized.

10). The town needs a new radio station……………hmmmmmm



I had sympathy for Regina in this episode and wasn’t disappointed like I have been in the past. I understand that Robin was doing the honorable thing and that she was desperate to get her true love back. This is the real trial and although she speaks of going back in time and killing Marian, seeing herself through the mirror, sentencing an innocent woman to death while being called a monster, seemed to have had an effect on her. She told Emma that’s the person I was, not who I am. We all get to a point where we say things in the heat of the moment but then change our minds once we’ve reflected on it.

I also agreed with her decision to find the books author. First of all, because we have ALL been asking the question, “who wrote the book”, since the beginning and secondly, why should villains always be written to never have a happy ending? If Regina is right, the book may be keeping her from happiness no matter how much she tries to change. It keeps throwing situations at her to get her back on the villain path. So I’m all in for her quest to find the author and I don’t feel this is coming from a villainess standpoint but if there is maliciousness behind her actions, I feel this experience will change her for the better. Also when villains do get their “evil” happy endings, they’re never actually happy, think Welcome to Storybrooke. Giving them what they want, may actually reveal to themselves it’s not what they need. If the author of the book could see how much Regina has changed, maybe he can undo the force that’s keeping her from a real happy ending.


Anna has the same sentiment every Oncer has after a new secret is revealed, “We have one answer and more questions, that’s a start”.


Yen Sin’s hat is drawn with a design of a moon and stars in Disney films. The hat that Rumpel found had real stars and a solar system on it. The hat was also stored in a bucket that looked just like what the brooms were using in Fantasia. If it turns out to be Merlin instead, I feel this would be a real missed opportunity to use a character none of us were expecting ever to see.


The book having power and being immutable makes perfect sense. It explains how nothing was changed in present day except for the books additions in the finale. Somehow everything went back exactly the way it is was even after Hook and Emma made so many changes. It bothered me at first but this explanation reveals that the book was guiding the events to follow one path.


Rumple is now tempted with the hat after he vowed to Bae at his graveside to be a better man.
It’s almost as if something is guiding him to these temptations, maybe Regina was right about the books power.



I had the same thought as you Jeff while watching this episode. I also believe that Elsa may have been adopted and that her powers come from a woman with similar abilities, maybe a queen perhaps? Their parents said, “Anna and Elsa must know the truth, it is the only thing that will save them”. This indicates that both Elsa and Anna are in some type of danger. Whatever their parents went to Mist Haven for it appears they found information that puts their children at risk. If this other “Ice Queen” is somehow related to Elsa, she may come back to reclaim her. Another thought is, what if this queen gains power by draining ones who posses her similar ability?
Just like what Rumpelstiltskin did to the Seer. Who knows, maybe Rumple wanted her power and that’s why she was in the urn. So many possibilities!


My theory and hope is that Sorcerer Master Yen Sid wrote the book. Only a powerful sorcerer could make a book that doesn’t change even when the timeline has been altered. It makes sense that the person who wrote the book would be someone that was modeled after such a influential storyteller as Walt Disney. If it wasn’t for him, we wouldn’t even know half of the beloved characters that we do today. Sure the stories were around already but Walt brought them to life and filled our hearts with precious memories. Merlin has been done before so please give us something fresh and new!


Could Rumple be playing the part of the apprentice and if so, will he need Yen Sid to clean up his mess?

How did Marion really die and will fate try and reclaim her life?If it wasn’t for Regina, Marshmallow would have crushed her.

Were Anna and Elsa’s parents coming back from seeing Yen Sid when their ship sank and did he happen to tell them about how their children were in danger?

Was the inanimate stone troll in Storybrooke Pabbie? Who do we know that has that kind of magic?

When Marshmallow goes to “water the flowers”, is the snow leftover yellow or white?

That’s it for now, have a great podcast!

– Brad

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3X04 Nasty Habits – First Thoughts


Neal untied the overhand knot because of what he learned from Hook.

In a strange way to show love to his son, Rumpel stole a small knife to help Bae sharpen his coal. Thus, helping Bae with his talent and at the same time flexing his “Dark One” terrifying muscles at the man that owned the knife.

Will we ever see the knife again, I wonder?

Rumpel wanted to build a palace for Bae. many have built palaces to the ones they love (The Taj Mahal and more. Check this link: http://weburbanist.com/2010/02/10/architectural-love-story-10-castles-built-for-love/), but Rumpel built it to give Bae freedom – in a palatial prison.

Rumpel used war paint. It reminded me of American Indian war paint, and more recently Johnny Depp as Tonto in The Lone Ranger.


Rumpel described Belle as a vision, but is it really Belle – or Pan?


Have there been other visions that Rumpel have seen? Will he use it to speak to others in the future?

The Lost Boys fort was drawn in sand. Classic war “breaking people out” or “Escape plan” or “Battle plan” in movies.

Hook shot Charming a look when the group was talking about Dream Shade, and wanting him to tell Snow.

The only time anyone can leave Neverland is when Pan allows it, except for Bae (and Rumpel, too?).

Lana had some great lines “Did you learn that from Bail Bondsperson School?”

Here are some screen shots of Neal’s cave on Neverland.

Stars on the ceiling


Other various wall screenshots




Cindy from our Facebook Page (http://www.facebook.com/ouatpodcast) added these incredible thoughts: “Drawn on Bae’s cave walls was P & S. These were the letters Hook carved on the Jolly Rodger when he was teaching Baelfire to sail. Port & Starboard. Also, we’re the people he drew, the Darlings? What building was that? His home…Also, I liked that Baelfire loved to draw, like his mother. He was drawing a picture when Rumple entered to give him that knife, and how that tied into his cave drawings… I thought it was interesting that when Rumple cast that sleeping curse over all the lost boys, Rumples spell didn’t effect Peter, thus the need for squid ink. Poor Henry, Pan caught him when he was VERY vulnerable, just being woken from the sleeping spell. Remember, Rumple warned Neal it’s dangerous to wake him before the spell has worn off… If, in the beginning, children only came to Peter’s Neverland in their dreams, would that make Peter The Dream Catcher? Reminding me of ( I think, Tallahassee?) Neal once gave Emma a map so they could find a “home”. Now, Neal seems to have given her a new map leading to “home”. But where might that map lead? Enchanted Forest? Storybrook? Wendy? Tallahassee? New York? Tink took a watch from Tamara’s body. Why a watch? Was it Neal’s watch? It didn’t look like a woman’s watch. Maybe it was my imagination, but I saw lots of little tidbits from Neal and Emma’s past together in this episode.”

Here is the scrawling of P and S from “And Straight On ‘Til Morning” that we forgot to mention as a connection.






Pan gave Hook a portal. Is Pan growing beans on the Neverland island?

Colleen noticed a lot of similarities with this episode and the book, Lord of the Flies.

Neal left Neverland without Pan’s permission – how? We know he knew a sneaky way to get to Neverland. I am very interested to see how he got away from Neverland.

Rumpel said that he would sacrifice his life to save Henry, but does he mean it?

Rumpel said “Magic led him to the hamlet (Shown in the episode),” so I would guess that his “magic tracking spell” works similarly to Tink’s Pixie dust trail that led her to Regina’s true love in the tavern.

The Pied Piper is introduced. He used a pan flute to lure children to follow it.

Neal showed that not only can a person use a (Conch) shell hear the ocean, but when sounded, the ocean can hear the shell “call”. Brilliant idea! Neal uses it call a squid (a la 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea).


Disney film

As the squid came ashore, Neal asked Rumpel to extract some squid ink that could, according to Neal it has the power to immobilize the most magical creatures.

Hook/Charming exchange. Charming seems to accept the fate of his death and urges Hook (as a final wish) to just save Henry.

Flint and a Hook can light a torch. Hook can be on Survivor!

@ktodd1116 on Twitter reminded us that “Did you know the show Survivor was based on #LordoftheFlies?” Amazing! I had forgotten that. Thanks for letting us know! 🙂

Listening to #f


The shot of Rumpel on the roof reminded me of many movies. That’s all I got for that.

To Catch a Thief shot that Colleen mentioned.


Pan Flute. Peter Pan played the Pan Flute to be the Pied Piper. That’s a lot of P’s.

If Pan give Hook a portal, pan must have used them a lot to gather children to go and dance in the forest. Pan also mentioned that he would take some of the children to Neverland.

Pan also mentioned “visit in dreams”. Is it in the fire room, and is it anyone who is sleeping? Cue the creepy similarity to Nightmare on Elm Street.

Certain boys can hear the flute, as only certain people could hear the cries on the island. Only the “Unloved, Unwanted…” could hear.

Henry initially said he was not like Pan or the Lost Boys (Turns out Rumpel gave Pan the idea to call them that. Rumpel is involved with everything!).

Pan’s pipe is enchanted. Who enchanted it and how?

When Henry didn’t hear the pipe at first, I thought that Pan didn’t blow into the pipe.

Another funny Lana line about the Lost Boys using the colander to make Pasta, or should they be happy that Neal made a nightlight. Classic Regina stuff tonight.

Guessing games.

Pan is magical. Who was he and how did he become magical?

Neal not coating the tip of the arrow was one of the brilliant twists tonight.

Self Preservation is a nasty habit. On the flip side, sacrifice is a noble thing.

Pan wasn’t always immortal. Is there any Dark One knife? How did Pan become immortal?

Rumpel mentioned seeing people’s “true nature”. It reminds me of “denying who you really are” scenes.

Neal was worried that if Rumpel did the right thing today, what about tomorrow. Rumpel seemed like he wanted to change, but Neal didn’t trust him.

Rumpel wanted his ‘Redemption’. “Have faith and believe in me”

Neal used the old “Squid ink on the back of a leaf” trick to freeze Rumple.

Emma never stopped loving Neal.

“Never break into a place unless you know how to get out”

It was an interesting exchange between Neal and Pan about Neal winning by leaving the island and Pan asking, “but where are you now?”.

Pan now reset the board and a new game began.

Belle believes in Rumpel, but is it really Belle?

Pan tells Henry “We can be your family,” like Hook did.

Henry could hear the music, but is it a ruse to “play” along and trick Pan to get off the island?

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