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3X10 The New Neverland – Main Show – Felix and Dark Curse Theories

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Episode Name: The New Neverland

Episode No. 196

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From Aleana

She asked about Pan casting the Dark Curse

I love this episode it had a nice pace love the flashback always wanted to know what happen after Regina announce taking everyone happiness away love Snow outfit loved that Snow gave praise to Regina and hoping we see some moments between Regina and Snow in mid-finale they are my favorite characters even though I’m more like Belle because I love to read love Charming and Emma moments hope we get more of that love Regina standing up for Tinkerbell even though I do think the Blue Fairy is right Tinkerbell needs to believe in herself even though they said Blue Fairy died I hope it isn’t true Love Rumbelle scenes like seeing Rumple being kind and in love Jared Gilmore was amazing as Peter Pan and hope they give him more to do
My question is how is Peter Pan going to cast the curse don’t you have to kill the thing you love the most and we see he doesn’t love anyone but himself hate that we have to wait 12 weeks for the second half of the season look forward to listening to your podcast

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From Maii

She brings up great points about Ariel and Eric

Ariel/Eric
Ariel and Eric were perfect and I seriously want to see more of them.. Plus Emma needs some gal pals and I have this weird feeling that Ariel would be perfect for that (J – Since Ella and Ruby are gone)

The curse made eric a fisherman/someone who cuts fish for a living.. They could have given him any other job but they made him a fisherman. I guess it makes somewhat sense. He was a Prince who wanted to venture on the seas to other realms. (J – Worldwide adventurous ventures were changed to jobs to catch fish and return.) Also coming from a kingdom that celebrated Ursula. He got to be by the sea still. Maybe not sailing on it but it was still part of him like it was back in the Enchanted Forest. It was the funniest part of the episode.

Emma, the love triangle, the date and Snow

Neal/Snow/ “The Date” 
As much as I loved him last episode I was seriously annoyed with him this episode… It’s the Emma thing, he goes back to being Neal instead of being Nealfire when he’s around her. Neal you were deeply in love with your fiancé a week ago (confirmed by A&E) and then you found out she was evil.. a few days later (exactly like 2 days at most before this ep) Emma tells you she wished you were dead and you think it’s okay to ask her out? (J – Neal’s pursuing ways wakes up when there is another suitor around. He was cool and gave her room before, but now that he is being observed, he must try harder to win her over.)

Snow..dude I love you but stop with the pushing Emma towards Neal…it’s not helping your case and all you are doing is pushing Emma away.. I’m pretty sure Snow’s opinion of Neal will change when she learns about the jail thing but right now she’s stressing me out..I get it for Snow White First love = True love but for her daughter it’s vastly different her first love is memories of 2 years alone in Tallahassee being betrayed by the one person she trusted, jail time, giving birth in jail  and having to give up her son etc.
Everyone keeps pushing Emma to be with Neal. But um did anyone think that might not be what she wants?! While everyone else is thinking about Neal Emma is thinking more about Hook. (J – Some parents nudge their kids to what is “right,” and that usually means, in this case, the father of the child. Will Emma be happy in that relationship? Maybe, maybe not, but to some parents that doesn’t matter, because it’s right. Will Hook make a good step-father? Is Hook the best choice for Henry? Hook really seemed to care for Baelfire, which in this case makes things much more painful for Emma and Hook. Being a good friend of the father of a single Mom’s child, and still pursuing the Single Mom. It must break some dude code somewhere, but love doesn’t listen to dude codes sometimes. Either choice Emma makes in this scenario will be painful, because neither gent will be going anywhere anytime soon. Will Hook be good for Emma? Single Mom’s have lots to think about. Yes, then needs and well being of the child, but what about the companionship of the Mom? Hook might be good for Emma. He isn’t perfect, but who is?)

Did you notice that while Hook was at Granny’s at the time of Emma’s “date” with Neal, Emma was at the docks avoiding it? (J – Emma went to a similar place that she went to spend time with Henry (Even if it is Pan/Henry). She misses him and even though she knows that he needs to spend time with Regina, she is confused by the love triangle and the pressure from Snow drove her to the bay to not have to face the choice (that could be the wrong choice for her and Henry). I imagine being near ships wasn’t a mistake, either.

Hook’s intentions are noble to some, but some may view his “in for the long haul” “backing off” and observing as stalkerish, but I think he wants to give Emma all the time she needs to make up her mind, and if she allows it, he can win her heart – for good. Unfortunately, Hook doesn’t believe in himself and falls to the Rum and the arms of someone he probably had some kind of past with to cover up the hurt of Emma’s other suitor.)

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The Dark Curse reboot-

The same effect?

Neverlandish? Everyone is under that Pan flute spell?

Since Gold and Regina have a bit of lead time, will they create a dome spell to protect them from the curse, act like they were affected, and outwit Pan that way?

Felix will be Pan’s undoing?

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3X10 The New Neverland – First Thoughts – Good and Bad Moments, Focus on the Wrong Thing, Old is New – Really???

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Date: 12/8/13

Episode Title: 3X10 The New Neverland

Podcast Number: 195

3×10 The New Neverland – First Thoughts “Good and Bad Moments, Focus on the Wrong Thing, Old is New – Really???”
Important Topics Discussed
A. OPENING WITH STORYBROOKE:
• Eric works at the Cannery.
• Belle becomes “Emma”-like and brought Eric and Ariel together. Snow began the process of bringing Ariel and Eric together.
B. THE JOLLY ROGER RETURNS TO STORYBROOKE:
• There was a large celebration when the ship returned.
• Similar to when people return from being deployed.
• Everyone was cheering and hugging, ready to greet everyone that came back from Neverland.
• Wendy’s brothers were very excited to see her. It appeared as if Wendy was nervous.
• How will the Lost Boys fit in? Where will they be staying?
• Rumple and Belle’s reunion was very sweet. Rumple knew that he was in trouble.
• He tells Belle, “That is the last time I’m not listening to you.”
• Rumple seems to be learning that you’re not in charge in a relationship; it’s half and half.
• Bae meets Belle for the first time.
• Everyone seems to fit in with everyone within the subgroups.
• Bae hands Rumple his cane and Rumple says, “This is a reminder of the man I was.”
• It seems like Rumple’s limp is gone now that he got off the ship.
• Perhaps it’s because he has embraced who he really is.
• Does Eric remember anything from his former Fairyland life?
• Everyone is excited and happy to see everyone besides Regina.
• Snow speaks up and says that they would not be here without Regina’s help.
• This is a huge contrast from season two; everyone would have forgotten Regina.
• Will Bae go home with the Darlings?
• Regina seems to put her revenge away against Snow and Charming.
• She seems to realize that there is more to life than being hateful.
• However, Regina seems to be very shy.
C. FAIRY TALE LAND FLASHBACK
• Snow is very angry about Regina’s stopping her wedding and can’t let it go as she and Charming prepare to go on their Honeymoon.
• This takes place right after the wedding.
• Charming seems to have a very good way of talking to females who are upset.
• Snow and Charming visit her palace. It is very beautiful.
• Charming rescues Snow from being so sneaky.
• The dwarves are very protective of Snow. That could be a constant problem for Charming.
D. PAN/HENRY IN STORYBROOKE
• Pan (as Henry) wants to punish Felix to make his family believe he is actually Henry.
E. BELLE AND RUMPLE IN STORYBROOKE
• Belle is like Charming; she can calm Rumple.
• She tells him that all the things he worried about do not need to be thought about.
• Rumple tells Belle that he chooses a future with her over power, the dagger, everything.
• WHERE IS RUMPLE’S SHADOW AND DAGGER?
F. NEAL AND HOOK IN STORYBROOKE
• Hook says he’s backing off of Emma.
• Bae says he hid Henry’s book for him.
• Neal says, “Thanks, man!”
• Hook says this won’t work in Neal’s favor because Neal left Emma and Hook didn’t.
• He seems to be planning for the future.
• Everyone seems to be making plans for good and not revenge.
G. TINK AND REGINA IN STORYBROOKE
• Tink and Regina have an apology outside of Granny’s.
• They go up to the Blue Fairy and demand Tink get her wings back.
• Regina is being kind and trying to get other people to get kind too.
• It’s really cool to see Regina turning into this new person.
• Tinkerbell still doesn’t beleive in herself so Blue refuses to believe in Tink.
• Blue is supposed to be kind but she is being cruel.
• She calls Tink ‘Green’ and Regina demands she call Tinkerbell by her name.
H. NEAL AND EMMA IN STORYBROOKE
• Emma sees through Neal’s desire to date her.
• He says that if she wants to come eat lunch tomorrow at the same time he will be, then he would eat with her. If she didn’t, he would stop.
I. FAIRY TALE LAND FLASH BACK
• Snow tells him she is glad he talked her into this (when really, she talked him into it)
• Coy Snow was very obvious.
• She tries to go after Medusa.
• Charming meets Snow on the road.
• The cave looks like the ruins of a temple.
• If you cut of Medusa’s head, you can use it as a weapon.
• Charming told Snow that he will go with her; not that she can’t go.
J. EMMA AND REGINA IN STORYBROOKE
• It’s awesome to see Regina and Emma working together.
• Regina tells Henry, “Let’s go home.”
• She told this to him last week when he was a baby as well.
• Regina tells Pan/Henry that magic is not the answer.
K. PAN IN STORYBROOKE
• Peter Pan takes the Shadow from the sail of the ship.
• The shadow looks like the wraith from Season 2.
L. FAIRY TALE LAND FLASH BACK
• Medusa is immortal but you can cut her head off.
• Charming and Snow have an intense conversation about how she feels that he is siding with Regina.
• “Killing her isn’t going to solve anything.”
M. RUMPLE IN STORYBROOKE
• Rumple makes the elixer to save Charming.
• He says there is no charge since they’re all in the family.
• He also says that, should he need a favor, he would expect Charming to help him out.
N. CHARMING AND EMMA IN STORYBROOKE
• “Life is made up of moments, good and bad, and you should focus on the good.”
• Charming talks to Emma when she stands up Bae.
O. HOOK AND TINK IN STORYBROOKE
• Hook begins hitting on Tink.
• Tink wants nothing of it.
• They come outside and see the shadow taking Blue’s shadow & she is ‘gone.’
P. FAIRY TALE LAND FLASH BACK
• Charming gets Medusa’s attention by saying, “Hey.”
• Snow takes the wrong swords into battle.
• Medusa is ugly.
• Henry’s book has the letters O U T highlighted. Charming says they need a way, “OUT.”
• The sword is a mirror as well.
• Charming gets stoned by Medusa.
Q. REGINA IN STORYBROOKE
• Regina takes “Henry” to her vault to keep him safe.
R. FAIRY TALE FLASH BACK
• Snow was talking to stone statue Charming.
• She says she will not leave him.
• Snow must kill Medusa to save Charming.
• She uses the shield to turn Medusa to stone.
S. EVERYONE BUT REGINA IN STORYBROOKE
• Henry/Pan was released from Pandora’s Box.
• Emma says, “When did we first connect–not when I first came to town–when we first connected?”
• Henry says it was in his castle and Henry said Emma wanted to give him his best chance.
• This is how they know he is really Henry.
• Rumple and everyone goes to Regina’s vault.
• Rumple cannot open the vault.
• Emma doubts everything and this is her biggest downfall.
• She thinks that she can’t be the savior and that she never gets a day off.
T. THE ENDING
• Pan is going to recast the dark curse.
• Magic is unpredictable in Storybrooke, so will the curse work the same way?
• There needs to be the heart of the thing you love the most. So who is the heart going to be from?
• In order to really do the curse, Pan would have to kill himself, since he only loves himself.

Thanks to Kelsey for these great show notes.

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