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3X21 Snow Drifts – Ren Faire Emma, Betamax, Running Away, Ruby and the Rolly Joger – First Thoughts – 227

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Episode Name: Snow Drifts

Written by: David H. Goodman & Robert Hull

Episode Number: 227

Show notes can be found at:

http://onceuponatimepodcast.com/227

Mickey Mouse

Group Home, Boston 18 years ago

Emma years later after August left her

Hey There

Tradition Announce their name at a Coronation

In front of the Clock Tower like the Lion King

“To the return of your heart”

Dinner in front of the fire.

Walked through hell – fire room shout out

Destined to be with. Tatoo.

Too scared.

Timing.

Sealing the dagger in the magical cupboard.

Belle and how to Hide the fake dagger.

Moe French gave Rumbelle his blessing. Forgiveness. Everyone knows you’re a changed man.

Alcohol Baby Shower!

Monkey Baby

Team 7

Granny

Marco

Ruby

Cap Man behind Henry.

Black Knights – Attack on the Troll Bridge

Kathryn – Princess Abigail. King Midas’ daughter.

Hook and gold. Why would you leave that opportunity? Marrying the daughter of a King who could turn anything into gold.

Ran away, living on a farm. Dorothy mention?

Henry’s Book might help her remember where she belongs.

Stubborn like her M…

Zelena’s time portal. It’s open.

Rumpel’s magic that makes your security tapes not work right

Betamax

Her Great Escape

A trip to the past could have catastrophic repercussions

Home built on fake memories. Make your home here.

I see fairy tales, not me. What would Jefferson say?

So you just keep running.

I’m gonna keep running til I feel that I’m home.

Hook’s hook was useful!

Emma and Hook through the portal. One of these days, I’m gonna stop chasing this woman.

Back to the Evil Queen’s pursuit of Snow White. Smack dab in the belly of a whale. Pinocchio.

Back to the Future. Marty McFly.

A wizard. Rumpelstiltskin.

The Black Knight.

Wooden Pinocchio. Before the Blue Fairy change.

Don’t change past events. Things must happen the way they always did.

Can Emma come to all Ren Faires I go to?

Snow’s chopping double.

Was that the Huntsman deer?

Snow’s standing and falling from a tree double.

Emma watching history, instead of reading about it.

It’s so gold.

Blackbeard!

Turning a blind eye will cost double. It reminds me of the cantina scene with Obi Wan, Han, Chewie and Luke.

Force choke and force push.

Emma – Are you some kind of witch? Hmm, the Oz prophecy?

You’ve changed things. What have you done? Back to the Future, fo sho.

Belle. Emma acts just like everyone the way they treated

Aha! When you change things that effect the future it erases what was on the pages of the future.

Ripple effect.

The future is a blank page.

There is a ball tonight. The Enchantment Under the Sea ball, perhaps?

We don’t even know where she is. The crystal ball.

Go undo it.

I know a ship’s captain that can help us – me.

The future Hook sees the past Hook.

The future Hook is jealous of the past Hook.

Leave the vermin alone, Smee. You’ll understand someday.

2 ships passing in the night. Closely, I hope. Emma is playing the Hook card.

Hook and the Nightcap trick.

Future Hook telling Snow what to do to keep the future happening.

I’ve carried rum barrels heavier than you.

Behold the Rolly Joger.

Smee is smarter than two Hooks.

Uh oh. The future slugged the past.

Rumpelstiltskin never leaves anything to chance.

Powerful wand (from the Fairy Godmother, I would imagine). Recreate any magic that has been wielded. Could it be used again?

The old Princess for a Day makeover.

The old face cloaking spell.

Who were those people?

Prince Charles and Princess Leia.

Blend in.

Hook can waltz.

Did the chandelier look like Beauty and the Beast?

Snow scaled the wall, like Team 7 and Batman did.

My hero.

Where is that ring? Insert Frodo joke here.

The Evil Queen arrives at the ball, with friends.

Where’s Charming?

My ticket to freedom. Stop thief! You’re a girl – woman.

Snow White, the bandit.

The Snow White bandit double.

Wherever you are, I will find you.

Emma’s got to get the ring to Snow.

Take her away!

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3X20 Kansas – Glinda the Bad? Flying Monkey Business, Happy Mother’s Day – Main Show – 226

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Episode Name: Kansas

Episode Number: 226

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Aleana

My theory is that Emma and Hook get stuck in past enchanted forest where they mess up the time line and have to put everything right

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Dan

Show questions (feel free not to respond to these if you don’t have time):
-Why do you think Gold gave a fake dagger back to Belle? Couldn’t he have just kept the real dagger when Belle gave it to him and be done with it? Does this mean Gold had some other motive in giving Belle, what she thought was, the dagger? Just a ‘move’ to enhance the proposal??? Seems odd.

-Why did you assume that the book Glinda had was not Henry’s book? I haven’t watched the episode back, but I don’t believe she stated it was a book of “Oz’s” history…it was a book of all past, present and future….but maybe I missed something. If not, this would give us an insight as to the origins of Henry’s book.

-Last week they dissolved flying monkeys with fireballs, this week they show mercy for their “friends”???? Maybe that explains where Rapunzel and Black Beard went.

-The Prophecy…assuming Zelena has been defeated…which I have no clue if she is or isn’t…either Zelena was not Oz’s “ultimate evil” the prophecy was referring to, or if she was, and if she’s actually been defeated, does that mean at some point in the past Rumple was also sent to Oz via a tornado? I don’t remember the specific wording the prophecy, so I suppose they may get around it somehow. And…could the tornado the prophecy was referring to actually be a portal? Their shapes are similar.

-Side note to the above…I think it would be in poor time management to kill off the main villian of the season, on the episode before the season finale.

-Your theory that Dorothy was the actual “evil” the prophecy was referring to, making Zelena the savior, is an extremely interesting thought. I wonder how they would bring Dorothy back and explain what “evil” she was going to bring. As of now, we can put Dorothy in the throw away category with Black Beard and Rapunzel.

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Maii

I’m a bad listener I got so caught up in the spoilers for the finale I forgot to write my email sorry about that.. In that note can it be Sunday we need it to be Sunday.. Okay Kansas!

I loved Kansas everything was golden.. As you can prob guess the CS part of this will be the longest so it will be at the end..

If anyone wants to make sense of why A&E established the oz arc the way they did just read this
http://the-lady-swan.tumblr.com/post/85083245100/why-adam-eddy-are-brilliant

The return of the glorious bromance known as captain charming:

You don’t know how much I loved this scene, it was wonderful and amazing.. Not only did he tell her to take hook with her and sort of apologized to him but he was watching from the window of his room which I thought was hilarious.

Regina and white magic:

I was originally opposed to this saw it as too easy and I was like but she has no heart? But the way it happened was reasonable enough and they brought up my worry points.. So I was ok with it..

The scene was fantastic and we all knew it had to be Regina that defeated Zelena just like Rumple had to defeat Pan, it’s personal.

Henry is looking for apartments for Emma by the water? Nice hints there

In defense of Emma Swan

A lot of people are frustrated with Emma and that’s alright were supposed to be. We need to understand where she is coming from. This is a woman who has been broken many times and she right now she’s terrified of opening herself up again. Let me tell you something about a person with walls, we lash out at those who want to pass through them.

Killian Jones sees right through her walls and that scares the bejesus out of her. He can see through her lies and half truths. Emma wants to stay she is just scared to. Deep down she knows she can’t go back to NY. Emma swan has always been looking for a home and the closest she has gotten to it has been NY so of course she wants to go back to that feeling but she knows she never can.

Emma if, for the first part of the episode, is quite cold and rude in her words because she’s pissed at what happened, It’s quite impressing how he still gets through her walls and reach her heart. He tells her exactly what she doesn’t want to hear – she DOES see a future and it DOES scare her. When she tells him, a future with you, she is mocking, but it’s EXACTLY what’s scaring her, much like Emma in the Echo Cave telling him it was just a kiss. It’s the source of her fears, her issues, her walls aren’t gone, and now that Zelena magic is gone, I bet you Walsh is back and Emma will have to face a few things in her life : her issues when it comes to love

Captain Swan

It was not true loves kiss but at the same time it wasn’t really CPR, plus there was a definite magic bump and a ring..

It wasn’t TLK bc Emma isn’t believing in herself at the moment, she needed a Killian alive she needed to save him but she wasn’t thinking of using her magic bc at that moment she wasn’t believing in herself..

The other alternative is that the curse isn’t gone just yet.. The curse was on Emma’s magic, Killian’s lips were just the poisoned apple that Zelena use to cast it.

More on that theory here:

http://killians-tinkabelle.tumblr.com/post/84821720059/the-cursed-lips-curse-is-not-gone-just-lifted-off

Emma loses her magic so she can accept not only the importance of it but acknowledge her feelings for Killian.
She went from not wanting anything to do with magic with using it in 3 season. She went from wall off love to embracing it. All of season 3 was give Emma the balance she needed in life. She is now all magic or all regular person. Emma is both and now she knows.

Emma knows because she chooses love over magic. Just like how Charming chose Snow over the crown. Think about it Regina chose revenge and power over showing love as a mother. Rumple chose power over showing love as father to Bae. Love is the most important thing in life. Not the power one possesses, whether it be the crown or magic. Charming has said love must be fought for and that is what she dies. Giving Killian CPR and knowing what happens when the lips touch is her fighting the urge to keep her power so that she can have a life with love.

That is everything true love is about. She is her father’s daughter. What is the point of power if you don’t have love.

They all saved the day, Emma still wants to leave, and Killian’s broken expression is just wow, no word, it breaks me. It is MEANT to be something and it’s a huge thing they decided to leave us with – Killian still at the door of the family, of Emma’s life. He’s still waiting for her to let him in.

I really loved the episode regarding Emma and Killian, it’s calling for something bigger, the resolution of Emma’s arc, and her finding a home, and her magic will be back – when she embraces it all her feelings for Killian and her life – which again, we saw she refused to do in this episode.

As always the podcast is amazing! Love listening to it.. (I’m sorry if this sent twice)
Xoxo Maii
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Brad

Hello Jeff and Colleen, here are the things I learned in the Episode, Kansas.

#1. Regina was struggling with
fireball dysfunction disorder.

#2. it is possible to spin your brains
out!

#3. Couches and bales of hay are
very convenient when your
opponent is magically throwing
you across a room.

#4. Little John was not part of the
flying monkey massacre at the
docks.

#5. Colleen’s fake dagger theory
awhile back finally came to
true.

OBSERVATIONS:

Henry says that Emma can’t sleep in her car, which is exactly what she was doing in season 1 before Mary Margaret asked her to stay with her.

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Before Emma goes to try and defeat Zelena, Henry tells her “defeating bad guys is what you do.” He has always seen her as a Savior or Superhero. He will be very disappointed in her if she decides to give up everything just to live a normal life. Any Superhero that has ever tried to hang up their cape and cowl has done so with consequences. It’s not long before they realize they were never meant to live a normal life. Heroes know they have a responsibility with the powers they’ve been given and to just sit back and do nothing goes against everything they claim to stand for. In other words, Emma will either come back on her on or will pay the price trying to hide from it.

This should have been one of
Regina’s best episodes and it was up until the end. Henry’s line, “Once upon a time, you were a villain, mom. But you changed, you’re a hero now.” broke my heart. Regina using light magic was phenomenal! Not killing Zelena and calling herself a hero was even more astounding! That’s why the ending had me so puzzled. When she puts the pendant in her vault, she smiles and laughs while the Evil Queen music is playing. Can the writer’s not make up their minds? They show this amazing arc to redemption but then undermine it with this. What were they trying to say with this? That Regina is changing but…..you never know? I just didn’t get it. I told myself that it was a smile because she was the hero for once but if that was the case, there’s much better ways to do it. Light magic comes from good, which she obviously has, so why tease us otherwise? Hopefully it’s nothing but I know this probably confused a lot of other people as well.

Now that we’ve seen Dorothy come to Oz in a green cyclone, maybe it wasn’t Zelena that produced the one that brought her to Oz.

The scene with Rumpel and Belle was so genuine but it was undercut by the reveal. Belle said she would give him the dagger if he promised not to kill Zelena. He knew he could not keep this promise so instead he proposed and told her he trusted her with his heart. He then used this moment to give her a fake dagger so he would be free to exact vengeance for Bae. I believe Rumple really does love Belle and may even want to marry her but after seeing what he said to Zelena, a beautiful and much overdue Rumbelle scene lost it’s innocence and became dirty and detestble. I fully expected Rumpelstiltskin to avenge his son by killing Zelena but what I did not expect was for him to lie and use Belle the way he did like she was nothing. He betrayed her trust after she has stood by him all this time. Maybe we will find out that coming back from the dead has left him with more of the Dark One and less Rumpel. I thought his character was changing but at this point, I no longer believe Rumpel deserves Belle. You reap what you sow, and what he has sown is lies and distrust. If this is how he treats his true love, what hope does he have? This was a truly disheartening scene.

In the barn, when “the beautiful one” tried to attack them, Robin told David, “Remember these creatures are our friends” to which David responds with, “Don’t worry I’ll use a gentle touch”. Are we watching a different show than last week??? Up until A Curious Thing, I could buy this line but not after they shot,
burned and stabbed all the ones at the dock. This is inconsistent and makes no sense at all! Are the writers actually conversing with each other? This conversation made me laugh at the absurdity of it.

THEORIES:

This will be based on the preview for
next week so if there are some people that didn’t watch it, I wanted to forewarn them this could be a potential spoiler……………………
We saw at the end of the episode that Zelena’s time portal was opened. After watching the preview for next week, I believe that Emma and Hook will be sucked through the time portal, sending them to the past. At this point it may take on a Back To The Future 2 type vibe. We see Rumpelstilskin in his Gold persona talking with Emma, who’s wearing a hood, and asking her, “what have you done?” Also we see Snow and Charming meeting for the first time again and the Evil Queen back to her old self. At one point it appears that Hook is actually punching himself followed by Emma being escorted out of a castle by Regina’s guards. If all this is true, Hook and Emma must make sure Charming and Snow stay together. Any little thing they do could change the past and Rumple may not be too happy about this. If this is where they are going, I like it! What if they can possibly jump to different time periods of each characters storyline? Wow, anything could happen! Emma could actually see what everything used to be like living in the Enchanted Forest while trying to make sure her existence is not compromised.

BURNING QUESTIONS:

Who is the real sorceress of Oz?

– Brad

More Brad

Hey Jeff, I had a few things to add to my email and was hoping it wasn’t too late.

There has been speculation that Dorothy’s slipper were gold and Zelena’s were silver. I compared the two and Dorothy’s do appear to be more gold but it could also just be the lighting. Although it would be a great twist if the slippers were gold and they took Dorothy somewhere other than Kansas. Here is a screen shot for the listeners to decide for themselves.

I noticed that the opening music this week was played higher than usual. In the show Fringe, the color of the opening credits signified where the story would be told (past, present, future, alternate earth, etc). Others have suggested as well that this could be an indication of what the episode will be about. I’ve included both openings for you to compare.

** Play Openings from the soundboard

– Brad

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3X20 Kansas – Choices, Destiny and Cyclones – First Thoughts – 225

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Intro: Ahoy Mateys!

Episode Name: Kansas

Written by: Andrew Chambliss & Kalinda Vazquez

Episode Number: 225

Show notes can be found at:

http://onceuponatimepodcast.com/225

Wheelchair/Spinning wheel cut

Why is Rumpel spinning so much gold?

Dr. Whale again

Golden brain. Wow.

So, Courage, Heart, brain and – Baby. How will the Baby use all those items?

Zelena is a much better fireball maker than Regina.

Wicked witches are like the mob or the Old West. Put away your fireball, Zelena.

For showing Oz the true nature of the Wizard. The true nature of the Force.

Walsh was a Trickster. Offering people hope he could never deliver.

“You’re powerful, but you’re wasting it” Again, Wasting. Foolish pursuits.

Glinda offering Zelena something that you’re really looking for. The sage offering the student “the truth”, or what “they really need”.

Change your Destiny. The past won’t change your destiny. That can be done from the present.

Who you are is a fate you can never escape. Change you, change your destiny.

Looks like a ritual area. The compass. Hansel and Gretal compass and The enchanted compass that Cora needed to complete a portal in Season 2.

Emma’s white (light) magic protection spell. Emma’s magic made Zelena burn last time with Henry, so I wonder if it will burn her again.

Well, hello Regina (play Lady in Red).

“Take Hook”. This isn’t about you, it’s about all of us.

Emma finally told Henry the truth about what she was doing.

Let’s end this.

Archie!

Henry’s moving out?

Emma thinks Hook manipulated her

Melting this witch

What’s good for her or him.

See a future here. With you?

Rumpel drowning Hook.

The heart of Oz. Sister Witches.

Together, our power can do things that separately, we can’t.

Love, Wisdom, Courage, Innocence.

The table looks like the war council table.

War Council table from King George’s castle

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Sister Witch table in the Heart of Oz

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Change your future – destiny.

Innocence reclaimed can be just as powerful as innocence born. For shadow of a future choice of Zelena’s?

You simply have to choose to be good.

Glinda is the keeper of the Book of Records. It’s chronicles the past, present and future of Oz.

The book foretells of a protector of Oz that comes in a Cyclone.

Let go of your past.

Emma was forced to kiss Killian and lose her powers. A sacrifice?

Zelena chose to let the bad feelings against Regina, for good? Is Zelena a trickster, too?

Zelena got a white emerald pendant? Each sister wears one.

“Guard it with your life, because in many ways it now is your life” So, without it, she could die, right?

“This weapon is your life!”
―Obi-Wan Kenobi

The pendant will harness, protect and grow that power.

“Than you could possibly imagine”

The PRICE is – Without it, you are powerless. A totem/light sabre that gives power, but removed from is like Kryptonite.

The pendant removed the green skin color. Choice against envy.

When Zelena appears, electricity flickers.

Samarai storyline; As the enemy nears the hero, all the stronger warriors do their best to defeat the enemy.

Robin Hood and his Merry Men

Belle

Leave her, Dearie

Regina “Take another step and I’ll roast you” Emma’s magic did burn her, actually. Why is Zelena power sleeps white against RH, Belle and Regina, but green against Charming and Snow?

Dorothy arrived in a Cyclone, like Zelena. Is Dorothy the Anti-Hero of Oz, or is Zelena the Anti-Hero? Which it the real hero/protector of Oz?

“Very special girl, Dorothy” Who is Dorothy?

It’s a boy! The new Wizard (of Oz)?

So innocent, and now mine.

The sisters are like the Greek gods? Gold goblets? Witches of the round table?

Zelena is jealous of Dorothy, but none of the others witches seem to be. Taking the empty seat at the table. Unseats the greatest evil the realm has ever seen. What if Emma unseats Zelena? Or is Dorothy the greatest evil?

Fate is a funny thing.

Yoda: It is the future you see.
Luke: The future?
[pause] Luke: Will they die?
Yoda: [closes his eyes for a moment] Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.

If you believe you are evil, then that is what you will become.

Zelena is humming Hush little baby.

“It happened again,” Snow. Her baby was taken from her.

Regina does have light magic. She broke the curse without her heart.

“I know there’s good in you.” RH believes in Regina, and so does Henry. “Once Upon a Time, you were a villain, but you’ve changed. Beating bad guys is what heroes do.”

Dorothy and a pail of water, melts Zelena.

Now gone, her magic is undone – like a curse. Zelena is a faker.

Zelena recreates the table of the Sister Witches?

“No matter where you go in time, I will find a way to kill you.”

“I’ve got you back” “I’ve got your heart”

“Get the dagger, then the Dark One will be on your side”

“Came for some jewelry”

“Don’t tell me what I can be” “You’re wrong sis”

“Changing” “I make my own destiny” or luck

Flying Monkey changing back

Did Zelena go into the Baby?

You failed.

“I’m gonna make you pay for everything you’ve done to me”

Heroes don’t kill. Mercy.

Today I am.

Silver slippers.

The Wizard sent Dorothy home.

The Wizard is the Wicked Witch.

“I will find some else to fulfill the prophecy”

“You can change”

Zelena banished Glinda to the Enchanted Forest.

The Storybrooke jail. Zelena looks a little like Norman Bates at the end of Psycho.

“Not long ago, I was a lot like you.” Validate and reveal a similarity.

A second chance.

“Evil isn’t born, it’s made – and so is good”

Create a new destiny.

“I will be right there to take your heart and crush it”

Regina’s smile.

Rumbelle.

“You’re unwavering faith, constantly astounds me, and after everything I did. I will never comprehend why you continue to stand by my side.” Grace and Mercy. “I love you, always have.”

Regina made amends by giving the dagger to Belle.

Belle gave Rumpel the dagger, because she believes in him.

This is trust. You trust me with all your heart. I do, and I shall trust you with mine. Take it. I am now and in the future – yours. Will you marry me? Yes.

The rescue and reunion.

A smile.

I won’t need it in New York.

Poor Hook.

Rumpel and Zelena.

She only thinks she does.

Follow the lady.

Rumpelstilskin never breaks a deal to avenge his son’s death.

Zelena crumbling was like his dream of Henry crumbling.

Zelena went to the pendent, then by smoke went to the ritual floor in the barn.

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3X19 A Curious Thing – Hearts, Flowers and a Book – Main Show – 224

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Episode Number: 224

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Episode Name: A Curious Thing

Written by: Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz

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Breaking/Broken hearts

Giving my heart…

Pure of heart

Glinda a bit like the Wizard of Oz? Going to someone powerful to get something (Help? Information?)?

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Onto the subject of Cora. I think I might be in the minority here, but I actually do kinda of feel bad for her. I’ve been discussing back and forth with some others, and just don’t think people really understand the severity of Cora’s personal life. I know that giving her child away perhaps wasn’t the best thing to do, but I’ve been thinking, and really what kind of life would Zelena had had if Cora kept her? Cora herself seemed to be just barely making it, she even asked Johnathon to at least give her enough money to take care of the child. I believe that Cora would have kept Zelena under normal circumstances, otherwise why ask for financial support so that she can properly care for her.

Ultimately what I’m trying to say is that a lot of hatred for past Cora is unwarranted. Sure hate older Cora because she was just an evil woman who couldn’t feel because she had no heart, but young Cora was just a young girl looking for a way out of a horrible life, and made some bad decisions along the way, and I can’t really hate her for that.

OH! And also, I have a theory about the time travel Zelena plans to do, which may or may not happen. So Zelena is under the belief that Regina just had everything handed to her, that her sister just lived this amazing life, but we all know that isn’t true. If Zelena goes back in time, is it possible that she will witness the events that have unfolded over the span of Regina’s life and come to realize that Regina did not have it nearly as easy as she once had thought, and dare I say become more sympathetic toward her sister? Just a thought, we shall see how this all plays out

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Hi Jeff and Colleen,

First off, I think I speak for all your listeners in saying – thank you both for your great podcast.

Well,

What a great episode. We had resolution on many questions, Henry’s memory, the whereabouts of the book, who sent the note and potion to Hook, who cast the Dark Curse, and what can stop Zelena. We also met Glinda, and learned the importance of Zelena’s emerald pendant. Talk about a full episode, but it never felt forced or rushed.

But truly this episode was about Snow and Charming’s love. From the snowbell flower moment, to Charming’s sacrifice, to Snow pleading with Regina to take and split her heart. Snow pleading to Regina was so similar to when she was a little girl and was pleading at her mother’s bedside for her not to die. Yup, this episode has some heart felt moments.

So we see Moe’s Game of Thorns flower truck, Zelena with a red rose, Charming and Snow with snowbell flowers, and Henry placing a red rose on his dad’s headstone. I’m open to any thoughts as to why the use of flowers in this episode?

The “purveyor of the strongest light magic” can stop Zelena. Well, I love Emma, but me thinks this job will fall to….Regina. She now has a family and true love. I believe that once she gets her heart (which I believe will now be red), she will be powerful enough to stop Zelena.

So Regina’s comment to Robin about “wait till I have my heart.” Is that a foreshadow. Maybe that’s why the last hour of the finale will be later in the evening (bow chicka wow wow).

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Maii 

Hello guys hope you’ve had a lovely week! This episode and I have a love hate relationship I loved it yet hated the end (and still loved the end bc angst)

Rumple was perfect this episode

You failed you failed failed failed failed failed failed failed did I mention you failed?

Outlaw queen:

I love and adore outlaw queen and the fact that they were acting like teenagers. And I do love their scenes in the lost year bc he does not back down. She is snarky at him and he snarks right back. Plus the face he makes when Snow takes his side is priceless.

Some people say it’s happening too fast that Regina is getting everything too easy but I trust A&E are doing this for a reason. Regina didn’t think she was capable of love, of a soulmate, of being happy. I really think that for now we’re going to be seeing a happy Regina in regards to her love life. She needs to feel what it’s like to have that love and be cherished in that way. I think the drama for them is next season.

The couples on this show have a clear path

Snowing- angst then happiness
Captain Swan – slowest slow burn to ever slow burn then happiness (I predict is coming in the finale)
Rumbelle – angst angst angst angst happiness angst angst angst (poor bbs)
Outlaw Queen- happiness then angst (then prob happiness again)

Why? Because Regina is going to have to fight for her love now that she knows she can have love. That it is possible.

Snowing (I apologize for any cursing that might occur I do love snowing)

First in the past:

While that scene broke my heart and made me cry and the end result was extremely cheesy but adorable and I loved it and I love Regina’s role in all that.. Let’s look at the plan itself.

First I’m kind of po’ed that they hadn’t thought of Emma until they needed her, like oh look you do have another kid right. The plan itself was actually kind of stupid. Cursing the land again? How where you going to get Emma if you were cursed? Don’t you recall that you couldn’t actually leave Storybrooke and this time Regina would be cursed too so she wouldn’t be able to leave either? I love all 3 of you but I have a feeling not one of you was thinking straight.

I don’t think they were putting up an act honestly I think it just proves that Snow was waiting for him to mess up. She’s never given him a chance or anything along those lines.

A friends tags on the GIFSET of the scene in the ep with the scene of him telling them he ASSUMED it was from them say it all.

Snow’s look is so condescending I want to punch a wall. There is a part of me that tries to remember Emma is her daughter and they are going to be wary of anyone who so much as looks at her add to the fact that yes Hook messed up and I want to tell myself to calm down. but ************** she’s never given him a chance#and she was all aboard the Neal train even though that ****** was the reason for all of Emma’s trust issues#so that’s never sat well with me#fast forward to now I feel like she’s just been waiting for him to mess up#she jumped at this chance#and it makes me mad okay#because snow freaking white sees the good in everyone and everything#but for some reason#she refuses to open her eyes when it comes to this man#she’s so quick to disregard him#to think the worst#and it really rubs me the wrong way#makes me wants to ********** punch a wall#and sit Snow (and Charming) down#and knock a little damn sense into them#and I say all of this with love#because I truly do like both of them

You can sort of understand Charming and Emma bc they are the same they are punch first then punch again then ask questions and Charming came in at the end of their convo. He’s an overprotective father but still this man is his friend and they didn’t even let him explain himself

What stood out to me the most is Jennifer Morrison’s expressions

Right when everyone starts yelling at him about the message and he defends himself; Jennifer Morrison portrayed this moment astoundingly because she made sure viewers could see Emma’s perplexity through her expressions. You could see that she feels terrible because she realizes she was too harsh with him and now everyone’s pointing fingers at him. She’s thinking about her words and the intensity of them, and realizing she didn’t mean it.

In the next cut to her face you could really see the way Morrison subtly plays Emma’s guilt — she says it all with her eyes. Emma does trust him. She’s just angry, scared, and she acted on impulse (just as Killian did with Henry). They’re kindred, they understand each other, and they know the other’s intentions incredibly well. She sees the honesty in his defense because she’s lived it. He found her, saved her, and she knows that he’s telling the truth — regardless of who sent the message he did exactly what they told him too: he brought her home. She knows that’s a selfless act no one else has done for her. She’s both frustrated and apologetic. Again, she knows this man’s heart and where he’s coming from, but a disappointment from him is the worst because he’s her person. Even before Walsh, Killian’s the first man she’s trusted in a long time, thus one little thing sets her back because of how much he truly means to her. There’s a noted saying that states it’s often easier to get mad at those we’re closest to because we know they’ll always be there. Even with her walls up high, she knows he’s there — a lot of times it’s her fears, years of loneliness, and traumatic past that speak for her instead of her heart. Point being, she sees that she’s hurt him and she’s not okay with that. And come next week, these two will be back to normal.

Neal Cassidy everybody, I’ve been hard on him from time to time but damn moments like this remind me why I loved him (and how he honestly was the only one thinking with his brain in the past)

…Till I got a message…
…We didn’t send you any message…
…For getting Emma the message to come back…
…I came back to save YOU…
Hook didn’t even realize that Neal was thanking him for doing what he knew he would and could do…which was to find Emma and bring her back. Yes, Neal doesn’t remember in these scenes when he’s thanking him, but before the curse, he knew that this would ultimately save his family. Hook thinks he’s just thanking him for helping Emma, not realizing that Neal was the one that sent the message. Neal KNEW when he was sending the potion,that Hook would save her because of his love for Emma. It’s almost like Neal is trusting the love of his life to be with Killian. He knows they’re true love. Why else would he send it to Hook?
GO FIND TALLAHASSEE

In the first episode we saw him Neal got a message saying that the curse was broken that he could go get Emma, but he didn’t. Here you have Neal sending a message to Killian telling him to go find Emma because he knows that this man can fnid her and save her. He is not trying to find the Charmings or anyone else, it’s Killian Jones, because this is true love and even Neal has an idea that this is it and he’s the only one who can find Emma. Do what he couldn’t do because unlike him, Killian can find her. The first pigeon told him the curse was broken, the other one was sent to tell Killian about the new curse so he could save Emma. Neal did great here because he gave Emma her best chance by sending her her true love after her,

Captain swan

This “fight” between Captain Swan is so good for them because it’ll once and for all prove that Killian’s actions are always in favor of Emma’s happiness. And even though telling her would’ve been the right thing, she’ll understand why he was as conflicted and frightened as he was — kissing him this time will be about trusting him with her mind, body, and soul. She still trusts him, she’s merely upset, and when she reflects on things she’ll see his side with the realization that he’s trying to protect her the way she was trying to protect Henry. He wasn’t giving her the full story because he believed it was best. She’ll see that she’s not only his true love but that both her and Henry’s happiness are his number one priority.

Scene I: ”We have to wait for Hook”. All that needs to be said about this is that Killian’s family — surprise surprise and it’s adorable that Emma’s the one who says it because he’s her partner.

Scene II: Hook and Henry. While making the decision to assist Henry wasn’t the wisest thing Killian’s done, he acted on impulse and it was still done through pure intentions. He wanted to protect him and momentarily didn’t know any other way but getting him out of Storybrooke — especially since he’s the witch’s first target.

Scene III: Truth Time. Yay. Emma calling Hook Killian again is a gorgeous thing because it’s now something she’s used to, and if you notice, she does say Hook, too. It’s when she’s serious that she uses his real name — it’s a way of changing the tone between them and that’s remarkably telling of how far they’ve come. Additionally when Emma says she can’t trust him, it’s impulsive and momentarily. We’ve all said and done things while upset that we didn’t actually mean. Emma’s well aware of the fact that he’s done everything in the best way he knew how to. By saying she no longer trusts him, she made certain that she already did and if she did once, it won’t be long until she forgives his mistake.

Fundamentally, what this week’s episode did was demonstrate just how alike Killian and Emma are — even more than we’ve thought before. They’re both selfless people who consider things somewhat selfishly —I hope this makes sense— but their intentions don’t come from a malicious place but rather a place of love. And at times, they may think they’re doing the best thing for someone else/themselves, but it’s not always the case. It’s completely normal to have people knock some sense into you. It’s what love does. When one person’s wrong, the other says it. Just like Killian would tell Emma that going to New York wasn’t the best option, she was doing the same by telling him he needed to share the information. The issues they face before their happy ending are entirely natural — they’re learning how to trust one another with even the most difficult situations. Emma’s fears and walls make complete sense, one little thing and she’s going to freak out because she wants to trust him more than anything. If he didn’t mean a great deal to her, she wouldn’t care like this. But he’s her person, she’s going to be even more frightened when something comes from him because her feelings for him are undeniable at this point and they’re constantly growing.

Lastly, the most interesting part of Killian revealing the curse was that he turned it back around to Emma. He didn’t talk about him or his pain or the fact that Zelena did it because of how much he loves her. He substantiated his love for her by uplifting her — making sure she knows that the threat was merely because she’s the most powerful and through that he illuminated his selfless love for her once more. He proved that her happiness is most significant.

Plus Killian’s choices as stupid as they were high parallel season 1 when Emma herself kidnapped Henry and wanted to take him out of Storybrooke. They are both experiencing the moment of doubt (the hero always faces a moment of doubt before coming out on top)

Everything else with the exception of Zelena and Killian’s curse has been resolved so now the focus is going to be on both of those two..

A thing to remember is that CaptainSwan is Adam and Eddy’s baby.. They built them from scratch from their fave fairy tales and they are the couple they have been the most careful with. They give them the promotion both Colin and Jen adore this ship and adore working together. Remember A&E wanted the rights for season 1 but couldn’t get them till season 2 hence why he showed up in season 2.

They recreated Captain Hook with hints of Han Solo and Dreaded Pirate Roberts and gave him the greatest redemption arc on this show (being the first “baddie” to apologize). They’ve been at this since the doctor back in season 2, it was made evident in episodes like Tallahassee and in the name of the brother not to mention the season 2 finale. Then there was Neverland where it was the forefront along with saving Henry, they’ve gotten the failed TLK and shown us that Killian Jones is the only character to put Emma first. This couple is important to them and that means they wanted to do it right.

Xoxo Maii

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Marilyn

Hi Jeff and Colleen,
Oh, that WICKED witch! Having our Hook hog-tied and thrown into the trunk of that “pimp mobile” like a sack of potatoes. What a ________!!! (rhymes with “witch)
I cannot wait until someone smashes her emerald pendant and tosses a bucket of well water on her.

And poor Hook cannot seem to get a break as far as getting credit for trying to protect Henry and do the right thing, not from Emma or anyone else for that matter.
But I must say that he does a great job of arching that eyebrow of his to emphasize his point just as an old fav of mine, Mr. Spock, (Leonard Nimoy for those of you too young to get the reference!) used to do to great advantage in Star Trek.

And I had to reach for my box of tissues again during the scene where Charming gives up his heart to enact the curse. Josh and Ginny did an amazing job.

Lastly, I have to admit that you had me laughing during your previous podcast where you expressed your dismay at the fact that some people watching ONCE did not get the Liberace reference because they were too young. I can fully sympathize in that, yes, I can remember TV being in black and white with “rabbit ears” when I was a kid watching programs like the original Mickey Mouse Club with Annette Funicello and Disney’s Zorro, Then how thrilled I was when my family got our first color TV and watching one of my favorites, Disney’s Wonderful World of Color. So, Jeff and Colleen…..I feel your pain! LOL!!
Take care,
Marilyn

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Brad

Digging deeper in the grime,
finding gold one podcast at a time.
Hello Jeff and Colleen, here are the Things I learned on the episode A Curious Thing.

#1. Aurora and Philip could
potentially have a flying baby.

#2. Haggis-Dazs has found it’s true
love.

#3. Footwear is the most powerful
magic after true love.

#4. It would be wise for Henry to
never bring a pet over Regina’s
house.

#5. Wicked Witches and Time
Traveling Holy Wars should be
a book on the New York Time
Best Sellers list.

#6. Lana’s body double is getting
more screen time than she is.

#7. You don’t need 15 years of
medical training to become a
cardiac surgeon when you have
“magic”.

#8. Pine cones can be used as
currency.

#9. Only amateurs use a cheap
cloaking spell when making
portals.

#10. When you’re at the edge of the
Dark Forest trying to stop your
imminent doom, don’t forget
to stop and smell the roses.

Now for some Observations and Burning Questions.

OBSERVATIONS:

Snow told Aurora and Philip, “If we don’t, we give into fear”. In The Phantom Menace, Yoda says, “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” I guess fear also leads to be turned into a flying monkey. Maybe next time they won’t trust a Wicked Witch and will warn them ahead of time.

Henry mentions he wants to play his Gameboy. This seems really strange since the Gameboy name was discontinued in 2005 and replaced with the Nintendo DS. Henry recently had been living in New York so it’s safe to say he had the newest technology. Maybe he bought it off Ebay? I would have thought the writers would have caught something like this. I know it’s silly but to a gamer, it just sounded ridiculous and outdated.

The wanted sign for Snow actually applies now, at least the murder part anyhow. I can’t believe she went through with killing Charming! I understood the sacrifice but I couldn’t get over how they rushed to that conclusion so fast!

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Glinda told Snow, “Now you hold not one pure heart but two. I sense powerful magic there.” Since we know Snow is not magical, this answers the question, “Will their baby have magic just like Emma?”.

Seeing Regina’s heartbroken reaction over Charming and Snow’s conversation about him giving up his heart was devastating. I has to shout out, “Please, throw a fireball or something Regina! Your tearing my heart out here.”

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We heard that Zelena made her choice when she gave into her Dark Magic. This sounds a lot like Anakin Skywalker choice to give into the Dark Side.

Cap man looks exactly like Carl Fredricksen from the Pixar movie Up. Once is wife Elie passes away, his real adventure may begin. Maybe he will reveal that he is the author of the book.

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The killing of the flying monkeys made no sense to me but I have found a way to deal with it. The way I see it is, instead of asking whatever happened to so-and-so all the time, I’m just going to throw them into the flying monkey massacre category. So in this episode we saw the death of Anton, Ashley & Sean, Nicholas, Ava & Michael Tillman, King George, Sidney Glass, Mulan, Aurora & Philip, and Nova. Yes it’s sad, but at least we now know what happened and can move on, rest in peace my friends 🙁

I love how “crossbow” Granny just sits in the background knitting a blanket, not saying a word at the round table. The look she gives could be interpreted, “I’m doing MY part”.

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When you think about Henry’s potential stepdads, they are all very well known. You’ve got The Wizard of Oz, Robin Hood and Captain Hook. What kid wouldn’t think that was awesome!

We were told that we would see another death before the season is over and I hope you guys are right in predicting it might be Charming. I don’t think we can take another major death again. Even the death teases are getting tiresome at this point.

Did anyone check out the bear in Rumpel’s castle? It was to the left of the door Robin shot with an arrow. I’m thinking it’s one of the three bears. Rumple could have easily pulled off the part of Goldilocks.

BURNING QUESTIONS:

Zelena was born with great power but how or why?

What was Gold doing with all those tools in the back of his trunk?

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Why didn’t Snow, David and Regina look for Ariel to send a message to Emma? Was there no sea shell around to call her with?

Who banished Glinda?

There is a magic door in a forest that leads to a world filled with snow. Could this be Narnia?

– Brad

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